Commentary 10 on
Karl Jaspers Forum, Target Article 17, 4 May 1999
KNOWING WITHOUT METAPHYSICS: ASPECTS OF THE RADICAL CONSTRUCTIVIST POSITION
by Ernst von Glasersfeld
LOGIC AND ONTOLOGY OF SPITONITISM
by Paul Jones
10 August 1999
Abstract
The issues of logic and consistency in TA 17 are concerned.
The presence of a 'hidden' ontology is indicated, so that
the text style is far from what might be expected within
the constructivist approach.
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Notation:
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As Prof. von Glasersfeld indicated in a number of places in
the article commented, as well as in his responses to
other Comments, Radical Constructivism does not have
to do with any "metaphysics" as far a I can derive from
the context, this term is used to refer to the level of
philosophy treating the things as they are (the "ontological
reality"); however, some epistemological assertions are
being made, and a definite ethical position is taken,
indicating the preferable ways of thinking and acting.
Since no philosophy can exist without any one of these
three levels, the suppression of ontology must result in
an implicit ontology, which will most probably be an
eclectic mixture of materialistic and idealistic ideas.
However, this issue will not be considered in my
commentary in any considerable detail; here, I would
like to concentrate on the logical side of the article.
The principal idea of Radical Constructivism might be
expressed in one phrase: "I don't care." For a Radical
Constructivist, it does not matter, whether there is
anything at all, what is right or wrong, what will be
the far consequences of one's actions, and how these
actions are to influence the other people. I just do
something, according to my own mental "constructions",
and wait for possible experiences no matter which then
I say that I am a Radical Constructivist, and if
I don't like my experiences, I can always re-interpret
them in an arbitrary way to console myself. This
devil-may-care attitude could be exactly characterized
by the soviet Russian word 'наплевательство' in English it
might sound like 'spitonitism', using the calc of the
Russian for 'I spit on it!' ('Наплевать!'). I find this name
more appropriate for the constructivist approach,
though "Radical Constructivism" may sound better...
Still, one can hardly ever object that such a lifestyle
may have certain convenience in it, relieving a person
from much trouble. As long as it remains individual
choice, without pretending to become anything
institutionalized, this is a matter of personal
preference, whether to care for anything (or anybody)
or not. In this case, there can be no argument or
persuasion, nothing to discuss however, the society
may develop a quite definite attitude to spitonitism or
Radical Constructivism if you please especially
noting that quite often a spitonitist happens to spit
on the others too, not only on him/herself.
Personally, I feel that the word "knowing" is a little
bit confusing in the title of the article: there might
better stand something more specific, meaning the
refusal to know as opposed to knowing. Also, any
reference to epistemology is excessive, and the only
relevant content would be mere description of the
typical behavior of a Radical Constructivist in
certain situations, the constructivist schemes of
activity. No justification is needed: I act that
way just because I choose so this is the only logic
a Radical Constructivist may apply.
No doubt, a Radical Constructivist has right to write
anything he/she likes, and one cannot demand any
logic, or consistency, from a person who does not care.
Therefore, no portion of my comment is addressed to
Prof. von Glasersfeld, since I have no real reasons for
argument with him. I aim at those who might care for some
consistency, and maybe a little ontology. I would like
merely take a few sentences out of the Prof. von Glasersfeld's
article, and show my personal view of the issues
concerned as I perceive them.
{7} "Kant, then, produced its final formulation in his Critique
of Pure Reason which all subsequent philosophers have unsuccessfully
struggled to undo."
In fact, one can never undo anything. One can just do
something different. There is no way back in human
history, and in the history of philosophy in particular.
Yes, Kant has done a good deal of work, which will remain
part of spiritual culture for centuries, influencing the
development of human consciousness. The others
came, and discussed Kant's writings, and found answers
to some questions, leaving the rest for the future
generations. There is no need to absolutize Kant and
thus kill the live content of his works.
{9} "in order to know something, one had to know how and out of
what it was made."
This is wrong. Quite often it is enough to know how
the thing can (or should) be used. For instance,
a person can drive a car without caring too much
about how it all works (there are service workers for
that); the same with computers: few people know
well how it all works, but this does not hinder their
using computers for practical purposes on a wide scale.
A talented music performer may be unaware of the
rules of counterpoint, chord succession or musical
notation still, he/she can play, and even teach
the others. There is a kind of implicit knowledge
that merely had not yet chance to come to awareness,
or was not allowed to; this fact is the cornerstone
of psychoanalysis. The major part of this "hidden"
knowledge has been acquired through assimilating the
culturally preferred forms of activity, and the
practical orientation is primary in any knowledge.
I suspect that one cannot be said to know something
if there is no way to apply it in one's activity.
See Glasersfeld's asserting nearly the same in {15}.
{9} "Hence, God alone can know the real world, because
it was He who created it; the human knower, analogously,
could know only what humans have constructed."
This sentence provides one more illustration of how
wrong conclusions can be drawn from a false assumption.
In most cases, people do not know how they do
anything and it takes a lot of reflection to
uncover the schemes of human activity. It is much
easier to look at what the others have made, and
analyze it, and learn how and out of what it was
made. Indeed, this is the only possible way of
self-understanding too. Consequently, there is no
reason to admit the impossibility of knowing
something in the world, despite that it was not
made by any human.
By the way, reading the Bible stories, one
cannot get rid of the feeling that God did not know
well what he was doing creating the world, and
people could easily fool him all the time, and
make him angry that is, aware of his lapses.
The attempts to overcome this difficulty gave
birth to a wealth of theological literature,
which, naturally, could not entirely remove the
question.
Looking at the history of science, one can easily
see that it required a lot of time and effort to
understand what some scientists of the past have
really "constructed"; still, there can always
appear new studies, revealing new aspects of
what has been long since "firmly established".
The discussions around quantum mechanics and
relativism could be one example; another one
is provided by the vivid discussion on Piaget
at this Forum and in some other discussion
groups.
{13} "What differentiates Radical Constructivism from the
tradition, is the proposal unequivocally to give up the notion that
knowledge ought to be a veridical 'representation' of a world as it
'exists' prior to being experienced (that is, ontological reality)."
This is a self-contradiction. Radical Constructivist
cannot "give up" any notion, since, in doing so, he would
tacitly attribute ontological status to his/her theory
(using Glasersfeld's wording {12}). What could only be
said is that it is suggested to act disregarding anything
but one's own arbitrary "constructions" there is no
world around, and nothing can disturb an abstracted
thinker from their splendid meditation... This is certainly so,
if the thinker has enough income.
{15} "this means that 'to know' is not to possess 'true
representations' of reality, but rather to possess ways
and means of acting and thinking that allow one to attain
the goals one happens to have chosen."
This is exactly what is meant under the words "true
representation of reality". Note that the very word
"re-presentation" assumes a difference from what was
"presented" the difference introduced by associating
the "sensory image" with the schemes of activity available,
which could be called the 'elementary conceptions'
in this case
[P.B.Ivanov, Leonardo, 27, no. 5, pp. 417-421 (1994)]
{16} "one demands of knowledge that it prove itself by a
functional fit"
Such a demand (like any demand at all) would mean
a certain ontology implicitly introduced. If there
is something obligatory for different people, it
must exist in a way independent of the people's
will, and hence be objective. This better suites
a capricious woman: "I do not give any prescriptions,
but I demand that you do as I tell you..."
{19} "All it means is that in some part of our present
experiential field there is the kind of raw material..."
Why should a Radical Constructivist bother about such
trifle things as consistency in applying concepts to
experiences? It would be enough to simply say:
"I call that a book, because I feel like that."
It would be strange for a person who wants to know
only what he/she can construct to care for any
"experiential fields" that could be suspected of
having some relation to the world out there...
The objection that every element of the "experiential
field" has been constructed by the "cognizing system" {22},
is not convincing enough, since there is still the
question of the existence of the "cognizing system"
itself, its difference from the "experiential field",
and the existence of that difference.
{20} "First, 'concepts', in my view, are not
like picture postcards against which one matches experiential material
rather, they are pathways of action or operation and they can either
be completed with the experiential material at hand, or they cannot,
and the rigor with which that completion is required and carried out
always depends on the particular setting in which the activity takes
place."
This would become a sound materialistic sentence if
one removed the ambiguous word "experiential" from it.
Concepts are schemes of activity, though they may be
folded schemes, and it is not always evident to which
activity they refer.
{21} "the totality of basic sensory elements or distinctions
our system is able to generate."
And what determines its ability to generate anything?
Does it much differ from the "tacit attributing ontological
status to that theory", blamed by Prof. von Glasersfeld in
those who tried to reduce consciousness to biology {12}?
If it is the system itself that decides what it can do,
its motion becomes random, which is not like what
I would like to consider as human; if not, there
has to be something beyond the system, which brings
us to ontology.
{22} "Concepts, therefore, have no iconic or representational
connection with anything that might 'exist' outside the
cognizing system"
First, "iconic" is not identical to "representational"
(see above). Second, the very form of
the sentence is quite 'ontological': it says that
certain things take place. It is not in the constructivist
line to assert anything.
{22} "From the distinguisher's point of view, what is actually
distinguished depends not on what might be there before the
activity of distinguishing is carried out, but on what the
organism is able to distinguish and chooses to distinguish
in the given experiential context."
This contradicts the earlier stress on knowing "how and
out of what" {9}. There are both "out of what" (what to
distinguish) and "how" (the culturally formed ways of
distinction) one could also consider the 'product' of
distinction as a (dialectical) synthesis of 'material'
and 'form' (to translate it into the traditional
philosophical language).
{23} "If one adopts a constructivist orientation, one is obliged
to go beyond the mere proclamation that the world we experience
is a world we construct."
Who or what can oblige a constructivist, save his or her
own whim? Just construct it a different way if you
feel any inconvenience. How can one speak about the
distinction of the "two worlds" at all?
{23} "if one claims to be a radical constructivist, one must
also show that this experiential world can be built up
without reference to a supposedly 'existing' world."
If one says that he/she doesn't care for anything but
his/her "constructions" (which is the definition of Radical
Constructivism), there is no need to argue. If "experiential"
world is not a construction, why consider it? The very
attempt to say anything about something gives it an
ontological status, while an orthodox constructivist
would never say: "This is so." -- they would rather say:
"I act this way." (which, however, doesn't help much
in avoiding ontological assumptions)
{24} "Before any one of us comes to ask an epistemological
question, he or she has lived for quite some time and
gained a good deal of know-how in categorizing, avoiding,
and also provoking experiential situations."
The word "experiential" can be omitted, for more clarity.
From this phrase on, the style is quite ontological,
having nothing constructivist about it.
{24} "We gain much of this practical knowledge early in life, and
it reflects 'reality' to us, because it deals with what our lives consist
of. In today's social climate it happens rarely before puberty if at all
- that we reflect upon our praxis."
Yes, syncretic knowledge coming from one's everyday life
is the only representation of reality in the person on the
early stages of the development of the person's spirituality.
It is through reflection of one's place in the culture that
spiritual maturity comes, if at all. I would discriminate
'experience' (syncretic level) from 'praxis' (synthetic
level); there is an intermediate analytical level that
links experience to praxis, and this analytical activity
includes all kinds of ideas, from mythology and religion
to arts, science and philosophy, and eventually to an
integral idea of the world, which regulates one's practical
activity all the time and in every instance.
{26} "Descriptions follow, as the child makes further distinctions..."
This contradicts the above statement that the ability
of posing deep questions has to gradually form.
Originally, the child can make no distinctions, and it
takes much adult's time to teach the child to distinguish,
and some people do not learn it quite well in all
their life. It is not us who make distinctions, it is
praxis, and culture as its objectification.
{27} "This first distinction..."
This smells of 'god'. Assuming any primordial acts,
one builds ontology of a certain kind.
{27} "For the point of view I have adopted, the most important thing about that
distinction is not what is being distinguished, but that the artist makes
the distinction within the sheet, the canvas, or whatever he happens
to be drawing on."
Still, one has to have something to draw on, to be able to
distinguish anything. Also, one has to learn to recognise
the distinctions made, which is the heart of any creativity,
and which is not easily acquired. For example, adults
often get moved by the funny words produced by little children,
while the children themselves do not find anything funny
about it. It is through communication with adults
that children learn to recognize "illegal" forms and
construct them intentionally, for fun.
{27} "This is the feature traditional epistemology has tended to
obscure: the distinction between the self and its environment is made,
and can only be made, within an observer's field of experience and
does not concern the distinction between the observing subject and an
'objective' world to be observed or known."
Traditional materialistic philosophy had never denied
that any knowledge of the world can come to a person
only through his/her senses, and hence must be mediated
by a kind of activity. However, this does not
exclude the possibility of reflecting the objective
world in subjective forms, especially regarding the
position of dialectical materialism that the very
subjective forms are objective on a higher (social)
level. For comparison, it is the own atoms of the
flying arrow that get attracted by the Earth's
gravity, but it would be strange to deny the
interaction between the arrow and the Earth on this
reason, returning to the primitive conception
of a 'self-propelling' arrow. Eventually, the
world is unique, and it cannot interact with anything
but itself, so that any interaction at all is
nothing but self-action. The highest form of
this self-action is called consciousness.
{27} "In other words, the self we come to know and the
world we come to know are both assembled out of
elements of our very own experience."
This logical error is commonly known as subject
substitution, violation the principle of identity.
If I perceive both the world and myself using the
same senses and elementary conceptions, it only
implies that our perception of the world and ourselves
is made of the same elements, but not that the
world and the self are made of them. Consciousness
is based on representing one thing with another,
made of something entirely different (e.g. words).
Compare representing words with pictograms,
sentences or long paragraphs with formulas and
drawings, oral speech with writing etc.
{30} "The early stages of this progression are part and parcel of the
development that Piaget (1967b: 9) called a Copernican Revolution
at the end of which, 'when language and thought begin, (the child) is
for all practical purposes but one element or entity among others in a
universe that he has gradually constructed himself, and which
hereafter he will experience as external to himself.' "
Rather, this could be called anti-Copernican
counter-revolution: instead of recognition of the
person's belonging to a higher-level formation,
one is brought back to an anthropocentric view
of the world. As L. Vygotsky has demonstrated,
this theory by Piaget has nothing to do with
real child's development [Thought and Language, 1934].
Vygotsky's observations have been largely tested
and confirmed by other researchers in the USSR
[e.g. V. V. Davydov The Problems of Developing
Education, Moscow, 1984]
{32} "The more generally they are applicable, the
less of them we need."
Applicable to what? To other constructions?
If all we can do is a construct, there is no
need to apply. If we speak of any application,
it implies something beyond us even if that
something has been earlier made by us, it has
to become detached from us (objectified).
There is no immediate self-action, neither in
physical world nor in consciousness.
{33} "Though one's concepts, one's ways of operating, and
one's knowledge cannot be constructed by any other subject than
oneself, it is their viability, their adequate functioning in one's physical
and social environment, that furnishes the key to the solidification of
the individual's experiential reality"
This is a direct indication to the existence of
the "physical and social environment" that serves
to test the viability of one's "constructions".
Just one step from dialectical materialism.
{34} "language arises and becomes a relatively stable system through
the continual interaction of the individuals that use it, so a great many
of the conceptual schemes that individuals construct are reinforced
through their application in social interaction."
The same as above: there are other individuals, whose
existence makes individual "schemes" meaningful.
{36} "If a prediction, made on the basis of imputing to
another person a scheme of acting or thinking that one has found to
be viable for oneself, turns out to be correct, then that scheme and
the conceptual structures it involves achieve a level of experiential
reality that cannot be reached without the social context."
To put it plain: if everybody does what I do, I conclude
that I do right. In other words: I am not interested
in being true, but rather in being a part of the crowd.
This is exactly what mass propaganda aims at.
{36} "this kind of 'corroboration' produces the only objectivity that is possible in the Radical Constructivist view."
Indeed, if there is no physical and social action,
all what is left is comparing one fantasy to another.
This is the common fault of academic thinkers: they
do not do anything to change the world, and then
they are tempted to generalize their passive attitude
to the rest of the society.
{40} "teachers must try to infer, from what
they can observe, what the students' concepts are and how they
operate with them. Only on the basis of some such hypothesis can
teachers devise ways and means to orient, direct, or modify the
students' mental operating."
In reality, one can change something without clear
knowledge of how it operates and what is in there.
This makes it possible that wrong pedagogical
theories lead to educational progress; on the other
side, it is possible for performance-oriented
teaching to cripple the souls of the students.
Still, if we want to achieve certain objectives
in education, we cannot avoid involving a theory,
which must be the theory of the student's
formation, rather than arbitrary constructs
of the educator. In practice, teachers can never
be constructivists, if they have just a little care
for the child.
{42} "Because the child's way of thinking is never directly
accessible, the investigators' model can never be compared to it"
This position of epistemological idealism is based
on the ontological assumption that the ways people
think have nothing to do with the ways they act.
Merely assuming that the person's behavior
objectifies his/her mental processes makes
everything in the subject observable and
tractable in the normal way of other sciences.
Additionally assuming that social processes
determine individual development, one can
go beyond mere phenomenology ('kinematics'),
to a 'dynamic' description, connecting the
changes in the system's motion with the forces
applied.
{43} "If the constructivist movement has done anything
at all, it has dismantled the image of language as a means
of transferring thoughts, meanings, knowledge, or 'information'
from one speaker to another."
Everybody knows that language is not the only
means of communication, and there may be
situations when language can only hinder
communication. Also, it has been known
since antiquity that words can have different
meanings in different communication contexts.
What constructivism has really done is that
it, first, deprived people of any means of
communication other than language and, second,
concluded from the fallibility of language
to the impossibility of any communication at all
(which was quite logical this time, since no
other ways of communication were not allowed).
In a wider view, with any communication being
a part of a joint activity, language can well
serve for communicating anything from one person
to another, since the commonality of conceptual
background is ensured by the common activity.
Following the constructivist logic, one could
deny the possibility of radio and TV on the
reason that a radio or TV set can be tuned
to any frequency, and there is little chance
that this frequency will coincide with that
of the transmitter...
{44} "Language does not transport pieces of one
person's reality into another's it merely prods and prompts the
other to build up conceptual structures which, to this other, seem
compatible with the words and actions the speaker or writer has
used."
This sentence assumes that different people live
in different realities (quite ontological assumption,
isn't it?). However, people live in the same world,
and share the same reality, so that language does not
have to transport anything from one isolated world
to another rather, communication is a social
process involving a number of people engaged
in a common activity. Definitely, language
does not merely produce an image of one person
in another it stimulates collaboration [see my
article "Art as Creative Communication"; available online at
http://unism.narod.ru/arc/1998ac/ace.htm]
{45} "Though there is no way to get around the uncertainty inherent in all
conjectures about another's mental states and processes, it would be
foolish to say that this uncertainty makes the conjectured models
useless."
The models prove to be useful as long as they reflect
objective reality, on certain levels. And the very
uncertainty in one's knowledge is a reflection of
one's economic and social position, within the
current cultural environment.
{45} "As long as the models we construct help us to solve the
problems that concern us, their ontological status ought not to worry
us."
If we don't care for any ontology, why should we be worried
by any problems? They are mere "constructions", and all
one ought to do is to change one's mind, and be glad...
{54} "Finally, I would like to add that the constructivist orientation, as other
proponents have claimed, does lead to greater tolerance in social
interactions. This tolerance springs from the realization that neither
problems nor solutions are ontological entities, but arise out of
particular ways of constructing. Hence, no solution to an experiential
problem can be 'right' in an ontological sense. The world in which the
problem arises depends on a way of seeing, a way of experiencing;
and where there is one solution there are always others but this does
not entail that one like them all equally well."
This paragraph is a concentrated expression of the
social position of Radical Constructivism.
It has been designed to prevent people from
fighting for their rights in an evil society;
instead, they are consoled with the tale about
an imaginary world one can construct and live in,
having full control over what is good or bad in it.
That is what they intend to say:
"You are hungry and homeless not because you live
in the society that does not give you a decent
living, but because you have imagined your
hunger and homelessness. You get robbed not because
the robber is bad, but only because you are bad,
and you might change yourself to become as
respectable as the robber. But there is no use
fighting; do not care for anything, just sleep,
dream and be quiet."
In other words, the people are persuaded to
cease being conscious and degrade to the state
of the herd cattle. Maybe somebody will
like it. Personally, I don't.
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